Subject: Re: conducting a sane and efficient GPLv3, LGPLv3 Review
From: Zak Greant <zak@greant.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:25:00 -0700

Hey Larry, Greetings All,

On Aug 1, 2007, at 15:25PDT (CA), Lawrence Rosen wrote:
>> Please cite relevant published opinions and cases, not "conversations
>> with many other attorneys."
>
> Quite frankly, I'd rather hear directly from other attorneys on  
> this list
> rather than quote private conversations with LOTS of attorneys  
> going back
> many years. ***Please don't be afraid to speak up.*** The worst  
> that will
> happen is that you'll start another flame war with GPL zealots  
> about how
> important it is for the FSF to protect GPL software and the "copyleft
> philosophy" from other software regardless of what the copyright law
> actually says. :-)

I didn't ask for you to quote private conversations. That would have  
been irresponsible on my part.

> If you believe that my reading of GPLv3 or copyright law is wrong,  
> why don't
> YOU cite published opinion or case to that effect?

I am not making any assertions about your correctness or  
incorrectness or my ability to competently make a determination  
either way.

Asking people to validate claims, such as claims that there is a "...  
disagreement between Larry and most other people" or claims that  
"most other people think FSF and
SFLC are wrong" is perfectly reasonable.

I wasn't attempting to address the issue of correctness or  
incorrectness. Instead, I was struck by how you countered hogwash  
with, well, hogwash.

> You know as well as I do,
> Zak, that the courts have not spoken out about these topics in the  
> open
> source context with any clarity. Asking me for case citations at  
> this stage
> is a way to shut off discussion.

I may at times give the appearance of competence, it is - sadly -  
mostly only appearance. Case law moves forward and I am often  
unaware. Perhaps I should correct this.

In the meantime, asking you (and others) to provide the rationale  
behind their beliefs isn't wrong or stifling.

Be well,
--zak