Subject: Re: Promotion of derived products, the Microsoft case (was: Scope of copyright on derivative works)
From: Ken Arromdee <>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007, Chris Travers wrote:
> > > - Neither the name of the <ORGANIZATION> nor the names of its
> > > contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from
> > > this software without specific prior written permission.
> > This kind of statement is exactly the typical restriction that I was
> > speaking about the Microsoft's possible attempt to limit the use of its
> > licence name, because it would indirectly reference Microsoft itself
> > without
> > permission for promoting a product distributed under the terms of one of
> > the
> > proposed Microsoft licences.
> I don't see why this is a problem.  There is a difference between saying "We
> chose the Microsoft Permissive License for our product" and saying
> "Microsoft is endorsing our product."

It says "endorse *or* promote".