Subject: Re: SocialText license discussion--call for closure of arguments
From: Rick Moen <>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:45:00 -0800

Quoting Ross Mayfield (

> Socialtext has been monitoring the conversation and we appreciate your
> input.

You're quite welcome.  

I've recently noticed a significant and relevant factual error on your
"Socialtext Open Source Wiki" licensing pages:

The wiki front page is , which includes
this text:

  Socialtext Public License

  All Socialtext Open Source projects are released under the Socialtext
  Public License (MPL 1.1with an addendum, please see the Why the 
  Appendix page [link]).

Following that hyperlink takes one to, which starts
out like this:

  Why the Appendix

  Socialtext's Open Source (SPL) license contains two additonal Appendix
  not found in the original MPL.

  An attribution clause, which we are submitting for consideration as a
  standard before OSI, see Attribution Memo.

Er, one problem:  As I pointed out to you during our exchange on
December 29 (and which observation you acknowledged true), Socialtext
has NOT "submitted for consideration" to OSI Socialtext Public License's
Exhibit B "attribution" and "network use" addenda (much less the entire
modified-MPL licence, as would actually need to occur) -- no more than
Mr. Asay has ever submitted Alfresco's, no more than Mr. Roberts has
ever submitted SugarCRM's, etc.  You submitted to OSI, as discussed here,
something entirely different, a licence fragment your firm doesn't 
(thus far) appear to actually use at all, anywhere -- let alone use for
Socialtext Open.

Please correct that fundamental misstatement, at your earliest
opportunity.  Thank you.

"Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and 
make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window 
and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to 
the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube,