Subject: Re: Searching clarification on OSI and libraries
From: <jacobus.vosloo@daimlerchrysler.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:57:11 +0200

 Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:57:11 +0200

A tough one...
If you are looking for the perfect balance between giving freedom (for
change and improvement) and keeping control (so that people can't misuse
your and other's hard work). Good luck?
The following threads are related to this topic, but does not come to any
solution?

      Subject: Re: Nees help selecting a license

http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6812:200304:cahoapipefmcofoicobo

      Subject: Simple OS license?

http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:7382:200311:mhfpdnpmpjickbdjhgbj

      Subject: Re: Framework Licensing for Developer Flexibility

http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:7286:200310:afggmkhpmfdeoeddnlmn

Realistically, you will have to compromise.  Either by releasing control,
or taking away freedom (Make it less usable).
The GPL is very aggressive as it takes full control of the code, and does
not allow the developers to use any other licenses, the LGPL being a
slightly "lighter" version.

I have been looking at ways of effectively releasing more control over the
code and relying more on the "good nature" of other developers.  My
reasoning is: The more everyone else gains from this code, the more people
will contribute to it and the more I will gain from it.
The disadvantage is that someone can add "a 10 line gui and sells it as his
Root Of All Evil.exe"
I believe that the advantages (not listed here) can possibly outweigh the
disadvantages.

I've tried a number of "Complete freedom" licenses. See the comparison by
Arnoud at:

      Subject: Re: I give up...
      http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:7393:hoggebnfigidcamgikfh

PS. If your code is used in a GPL project, it will be re-released as GPL
meaning that any improvements made in that GPL project cannot be taken over
into your project again.
Note the problem discussed with the Mono compiler.  Also, read their
reasons for using the GPL.

      [Mono-list] The viral license problem

http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-list/2002-May/005914.html

If you are willing to have proprietary developers use your code without
giving anything back, it should not worry you that GPL developers can also
use your code without giving anything back.

Good luck

Jaco Vosloo

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Hello .*.

I stumbled over the GPL as license used for a library today.
You guess it... no linking or dlopening allowed.

I have been reading some few of the licenses published on OSI.
Tough material if english is not your native language.
Finally i am completely confused and whish for someone brave enough
to add a section named "Human readable library diff" or something
to the FAQ section of the website.

Context first...

1. Someone asked me if i was interested to help adding support
   for some protocol to a product that is sold commercially.
   There are a few libraries providing an interface for that protocol.

One implementation i favor is plublished under the GPL.
That means that i can only support it using some sort of wrapper that
communicates using pipes or sockets.
Problem is that a wrapper approach is not acceptable for the party that
asked for help.
Conclusion is that this special library will not be supported. That
means an option for testing and spreading it is wasted here.

2. I have a personal project i work on and i want to publish it as open
   source. It will consist of a library and one or two example programs
   that make use of the library.

I am searching for a license for my project now.
- I want the code to be usable for as many people as possible
- I definitly want to allow comercial products to use the library
- I want that people can write modules that the library dlopens at
  runtime and those shall have whatever license the owner thinks is
  apropriate.
- I want the library core to stay a working little changable thing and
  publically available
- I want to allow people to copy parts of the example application and
  use them as a starting point for whatever they are working
- I want to avoid that someone copies the whole example, adds a 10 line
  gui and sells it as his Root Of All Evil.exe

I first thought about GPL for the example and LGPL for the library.
But then noone can copy files from there and start their own project
with them.
The point is that I want to make it as easy as possible to start using
the library in order to have a good chance to spread it.

If I put the library part under the OSL, is it allowed to link it to
comercial programms then?

What are the differences between GPL and OSL?
What is the intention of OSL? Is it ment as a replacement for GPL for
people that are not as drastic as RMS?

The last and most confusing issue is the documentation:

 You generate API documentation from comments in libfoo.c and add it
 to bar.xml.
 Then you add intentions.xml to bar.xml.
 Finally you extract some random code as an example from appfoo.c and
 add it to bar.xml.

Q: What license has bar.xml now?
A: LSL (License Soup License)

Is LSL OSI certified? ;)

Thanks in advance, sorry for the length,
  peter.
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