Subject: Re: For Approval: ACE License
From: "Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M." <roddixon@cyberspaces.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:02:34 -0500

If this license cannot be revised, I recommend that  OSI withhold approval. 
With a minor revision, I world agree that approval is warranted. The second 
paragraph should be revised. As it stands, I see a number of concerns under 
OSD Article#1,2, and 3 since the license appears to permit that the entire 
project may be taken proprietary by any licensee.  I doubt that this is the 
intent. IF  such latitude is intended, then the licensee world not comply 
with the OSD.  Under the BSD, this is a privilege reserved by the original 
copyright holder.

There is a significant difference between permitting licensees to 
distribute modifications or enhancements to original code under a 
proprietary license, which the BSD permits, and  permitting licensees to 
distribute the original code as a binary under a proprietary license, which 
the ACE license appears to permit.You probably mean to follow the BSD, but 
it is not clear.  Perhaps, one point of confusion may be clarified by 
replacing " proprietary" with binary.


Rod Dixon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Sedgwick" <ken@bonsai.com>
To: <license-discuss@opensource.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:36 PM
Subject: For Approval: ACE License


> Greetings,
>
> My name is Ken Sedgwick.  I am a volunteer package maintainer working
> to get the ACE and TAO software libraries into standard Linux
> distribution.  I am not a lawyer.
>
> The Fedora Extras (Linux Distribution) team has requested that newly
> submitted packages have OSI approved software licenses.  The ACE folks
> were agreeable to my submission of the ACE License for OSI
> certification.
>
> The plain text copy of the license is attached to this message.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Most Similar License
>
> The ACE License is most similar to the "New BSD License".  It has been
> in force for many years and over 1000 developers have contributed to
> the library under this license.  I don't think changing the license is
> practical at this point.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Use in Conjunction with Other Licenses
>
> The ACE License does not appear to be incompatible with other open
> source licenses.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Ken
>
> -- 
> Ken Sedgwick
> Bonsai Software, Inc.
> (510) 610-4162
> ken+5a4@bonsai.com
>


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