I find rms' challenge to Peter very interesting. In fact, I'd have to say I find rms' position on money very contraditory -- I believe he was quoted someplace as saying he has nothing against making a lot of money, and seems to charge premium rates for consulting, but at the same time holds that low pay is a primary principle of the FSF. In the GNU Manifesto, rms speakes of the "post-scarcity" world where no one has to work very hard to make a living and people write software and music because they enjoy doing so and they're good at it. I think the paradigm of free software, and free information in general, is to remove this information from the list of marketable commodities. In such a world, I think one could make a living writing free software, just as lawyers today make livings creating and manipulating the legal system, which is information available to everyone. However, we do not now live in such a world, and I agree with Peter that the only way to write free software is to fund it with other activities. What I wonder is whether it is possible, and whether writing free software will help change the world to one where information is free. I think one of the ideas behind GNU was that if a sufficient body of free software existed (OS, compiler, etc.) then the trend would shift towards using and creating free software. I don't think this is the case -- despite the quality of GCC, it seems relatively few processor manufacturers have officially adopted it. Even if GNU became the standard environment, people would still develop proprietary applications on top of it. I think that, unfortunately, the trend is against free information. The American Library Association recently stated it opposes plans to put the Library of Congress online. The ALA fears that pubishers would no longer allow books to enter the library system if people could read them for free across the network. Of course, people respond that some mechanism for access fees will be implemented, but that's missing the poing -- the information in the library used to be freely accessible. ---- Joseph Arceneaux Independent Unix Consultant jla@ai.mit.edu PO Box 460633 +1 415 285 9088 San Francisco, CA 94146