Subject: Re: Down with the GPL!
From: DV Henkel-Wallace <>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:28:26 -0700

Actually you just get the company to declare that, e.g. all Microsoft 
libraries are OK to use or all sysadmin staff can use GPLed code as 
long as they agree to implement the distribution rules.

The interesting part is that the very fact that they have to say that 
MS is OK might cause someone to _read_ the terms.  You ain't gonna get 
that changed, so no need to be a jerk about it.  In fact the more cool 
(but firm) you are about it the better the message that maybe the 
proprietary stuff is bad news.


On 12 May 2005, at 14:52, Laurent GUERBY wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 13:46 -0700, DV Henkel-Wallace wrote:
>> I am astonished to find the text in a standard document.
>> Grr.
> I find that wonderful.
> 1. get hired, sign the paper
> 2. ship the legal header of every single software or library you
> include/use/develop with, legal condition of every manual, web page and
> document containing code you read while at work, same for textbook
> containing and open source code you read before working there.
> If you're using Microsoft, that would make a few thousand pages of 
> legal
> text, many more if you have different versions of various things. If 
> you
> can't find a licence, ask the company lawyers to find one. If they say
> blanket okay for company X software, point out in writing funny points
> in various licence (I believe some MSVC licence said you couldn't ship
> debug compiled software or things like that).
> 3. refuse to write any code before receiving an in writing answer from
> your company legal department, show your legally binding paper if 
> people
> get angry.
> 4. browse web, play minesweeper a lot, earn money
> 5. if you have to write code, find something similar using google or
> your memory from textbooks, send your code and the similar code to
> your company lawyer and wait for lawyer answer before commiting to your
> company official repository.
> 6. if they fire you, just say you were respecting your legal obligation
> and the all important IP rights of others and that the delay is due to
> company inefficient organization at handling legal matters and not your
> fault, get some lawyer handle the case for you and take X% of the 
> damage
> and have some fun.
> Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in a country where people
> have to sign such junk contracts to get paid and work in a productive
> environment.
> Laurent