Brian J. Fox writes: > > Hey, without trying to be mean, why don't you write one? [ after writing this, I notice that bfox didn't suggest that it had to be written for Unix. I didn't see a subtle way to acknowledge that assumption, hence this crude note. :) -russ ] Is it just me, or does Unix have serious usability issues that need to be addressed before tackling the desktop? Textmode is dead in the water, so you need a GUI. X is the only serious contender (which would make some people laugh, no doubt). mgr could be brought back to life, but it has fewer applications than X (although an X server which runs under mgr would help with that. And Linux's SVGALIB is not portable from or to other unices. The problem with X is that it not only does not enforce any UI standards, it doesn't even *recommend* any, nor does it have a UI-independent library. So, every X program operates differently than every other one. Just look at xemacs, ghostview, any window manager, and xterm. Maybe KDE is addressing that problem in a reasonable way, but KDE programs can't really be GPL'ed, since qt isn't a standard library on any Unix distribution that I'm aware of, because while qt is gratis for libre programs, it is not libre itself -- it cannot be modified. If you're willing to lie to yourself, and pretend that qt is a standard library, then KDE might be the way to go for mass-market GPL'ed programs. -- -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson | Freedom is the Crynwr Software supports freed software | PGPok | primary cause of peace. 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Obedient, Christian, statist: Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | you only get to pick two.