Subject: Re: slavery and freedom
From: "John McDermott" <>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:52:00 -0600

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:22:05 -0600, Thomas Lord <> wrote:

> John McDermott wrote:
>> Your last statement is indeed true. However you miss the issue. A  
>> situation perceived by both parties as win-win is not exploitation (if  
>> both parties are of sound mind and there is no coercion).  Even if an  
>> impartial outside observer does not see the win-win nature, and thinks  
>> one side is getting a better deal, if it is still win-win to the  
>> participants, it is not exploitation.
> I strongly disagree.   It is easy to imagine (and observe) situations  
> where both parties perceive a win-win but there is no doubt exploitation  
> is happening.   Your claim seems silly.

If my claim seems silly, then perhaps the issue is the definition of  
"exploitation". You see the essence of mine above. What is yours? If we  
differ on the definition, then that could be center of this whole  


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