Subject: Re: Lack of imagination?
From: Steve Mallett <>
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:07:25 -0300

I'd like to expand on the previous exchange.  I got to wondering over the 
last week if Guido didn't have something.

Let me explain....

Underlying Assumption: In pioneering new ideas one of the most valuable 
things a person can do is bounce those ideas off other people and enough 
people to make it great.  

To expose the inkling of a good idea is to open it up to the possibility of 
its theft.  With innovative ideas can come pretty substantial Kudos. One of 
the most valuable rewards in the community.  

So I wonder if what kills the potential of an innovative end-product is the 
fear of exposing the loss of the "Homesteading" of the idea by that person 
with the first 'kernal' of the idea (excuse me).   By not exposing it to 
enough people to turn the kernal-idea into a truely innovative one out of 
fear of losing the prestige of being the "Homesteader"..... the idea or the 
potential of the innovation is lost and/or never really turns into something 
great as often as it could.[1] there a bottleneck here in the formation of innovative 
free-and-opensource-community products?  Closed products go to great length 
to protect innovative ideas & more to protect the revenue created from those 
ideas from its possible theft.  Is there an opportunity here that can be 
seized IF this bottleneck exists and can be eliminated? 

I also wonder if this situation may be comparable to product innovation 
inside a company.  For example, Employee Bob comes up with something, but 
doesn't know if the people he needs to pull it together won't shut him out 
when presenting it to the boss.   At least we can pick the people we work 

1) I take into account the frowned on practice of forking, but if the idea 
isn't fully developed (let alone the code) yet are you really forking it?  
People do get snakey when it comes to rewards & don't necessarily want to 
share the glory.


On Friday 29 June 2001 10:50, you wrote:
} > Recent statements from Microsoft seem to indicate that it is
} > important to Microsoft to fight against GPL'd code.
} >
} > But for a global, internet-based authentication and payments
} > system it is not enough what the code should be Free Software.
} > Also the system must be designed in a decentralized way that
} > effectively prevents any single company from controlling the
} > system and/or the data.
} >
} > This is one of the goals of the DotGNU project.  If you're
} > interested, join the mailing list at
} >
} >
} >
} > Greetings, Norbert.
} Why does this project announcement give me the feeling that the open
} source world is lacking imagination?  Many open source projects look
} to me like they are trying to come up with an open implementation of
} something that's already available (or being developmed)
} commercially.
} Where are the open source projects that *innovate*?
} --Guido van Rossum (home page:

To kindly take exception, the above msg from norbert makes me think that it
will take great imagination to come up with a working, successful
implementation of this project that could *rival* MS's.

Innovative? Perhaps not.  Gutsy & requiring imagination to pull it off.
Hell, yeah!

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