Subject: Re: As if the DMCA wasn't bad enough
From: Bernard Lang <>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:43:04 +0200

I may misunderstand your constitution, but I thought that this is
precisely why the constitution gives you the right to bear arms.

You may note that the congress and administration pretend to restrict
you freedom by arguing that they are forced by international (read
foreign) treaties. (cf WIPO, and the 1996 treaty at the origin of DMCA)
  (the fact that they engineered that themselves is immaterial.)

But then it is well know the US constitution was written by Commies,
and thus should not be taken too seriously.


On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 06:27:06PM +0100, Jean Camp wrote:
> Here is a moral issue:
> I own my pictures of my children. I should not have to keep paying 
> the maker of the camera to view them or copy them or share them with 
> my family.
> I do not believe we would own our own "kodak moments" I think they 
> might become Kodak's.
> Politically the only legislative hope is the equipment manufacturers.
> -Jean
> At 10:40 am -0400 9/10/01, wrote:
> >Lynn Winebarger wrote:
> >>  On Saturday 08 September 2001 15:06, Bernard Lang wrote:
> >>  > PS why do you assume that Republicans and Democrats agree on this
> >>  > proposal ... I did not see it in the article.
> >>  >
> >>       Well, the DMCA was passed 99-0 in the senate in '98, passed
> >>  overall by a Republican Congress and a Democrat President.
> >>       More importantly, the supporters of this type of legislation have
> >>  deep pockets, and it's spun as a moral rights issue rather than an
> >>  implementation of public policy solely to further the progress of the
> >>  arts and sciences.  It's much easier for the proponents to spin a
> >>  simple-minded moral issue (theft) than opponents to discuss the proper
> >>  balance of public and private interests in the tradeoff that is
> >>  copyright, particularly in the age of the soundbyte.
> >
> >Then perhaps the opponents of such measures need to make it into a
> >simple moral issue as well.  What that is and how to couch it is going
> >to be hard, but we need something.
> >
> >My gut reaction is, "Their talk of piracy is like a magician's
> >assistant tripping into something on the other side of stage to
> >distract the audience while the magician removes the rabbit from
> >the hat.  Don't be distracted and don't be fooled.  The real
> >pirates here are the intellectual property thieves who are stealing
> >our *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to fairly use what we have bought and
> >paid for!"
> >
> >Can anyone find a concise way to express their reaction?  We are far
> >more in need of a few good slogans than well-written tracts that only
> >the choir will read.
> >
> >Another thing to think about.  There are a lot of companies and people
> >who are upset at the BSA right now.  That would be a good feeling to
> >tap into.  I fear that I will only demonstrate why I am not, and will
> >never make a good rabble rouser, but the basic message should be,
> >"Are you fed up with the BSA calling you a thief?  Buy a memory
> >upgrade and their 'security provisions' lock your computer up.  Now
> >they want to put you in jail."
> >
> >And in the spirit of trying to inspire through painfully bad example,
> >"The Constitution gives copyright and patent as a temporary lease.  Now
> >the software industry is trying to steal permanent ownership."
> >
> >Any other attempts?  If someone came up with something reasonable, I
> >would be willing to make a personal donation to an advertising
> >campaign...
> >
> >Ben
> -- 

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