Subject: Re: good article
From: Rich Bodo <>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:49:38 -0800 (PST)

GNU Enterprise ( is in use in some businesses right now.
I've seen some cool demos.  We work on a related project at a similar
stage.  The app servers are there, but the apps are being developed as
custom software.  In the short term, integration between enterprise
apps and desktop apps will happen in an orthogonal manner.  That is,
we would rather go through data stores (i.e. LDAP) than use
application API's wherever possible.  Lots of potential to capitalize
on apps built upon existing frameworks.


Rich Bodo | | 650-964-4678

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Tom Lord wrote:

> Found via newsforge:
> Favorite part:
> 	While several projects are creating components for developers,
> 	a project to develop modular tools for people is not on the
> 	horizon. The GPL community could take the lead by modularizing
> 	the tool capabilities found in office suites for use in a more
> 	integrated and process-oriented work environment.
> 	With separate tools, functionality can be clarified and
> 	learning curves minimized. People could customize their
> 	workshop to include only the tools they need and to perform
> 	the same work that's currently done working with office suite
> 	applications. Tools could be added or upgraded one at a
> 	time. And new open file-standards could also evolve. But most
> 	important, a process-oriented environment would enable users
> 	to set up systems to manage their work.
> 	GNU/Linux can flourish in the enterprise sector and still be a
> 	desktop dud. Though opportunity exists, the market won't
> 	abandon Windows except for something significantly better.
> 	Currently, the desktop is more of a low-budget sideshow, with
> 	the enterprise sector being the main event.  This can change,
> 	but it will take an aggressive new approach that provides for
> 	both the necessary revenue and a mechanism to establish better
> 	relationships with computer users. To refine the user
> 	interface and evolve more useful tools, development must move
> 	beyond creative cloning. To prevail over proprietary systems,
> 	it must take the lead in providing both ease of use and
> 	productivity for the desktop user.
> Past evidence suggests that Tiemann and Young read this list.  I'm
> wondering if they can respond to this assesment while not wearing
> their red fedoras -- i.e., as hackers.  Yes, we've heard the 10% of
> the market figures again and again -- but the quoted comments are
> about architectural approach and its larger implications.  Then, may
> they please put back on their hats and say what their company can do.
> wsi rocked,
> -t